Why is Left Unpatriotic?

Published on October 16, 2004 By SameOldRat In Politics

As I look around this site more and more it is very apparent who is left and who is right. What I do not understand is why many people to the right believe that having liberal views is unpatriotic. It just makes no sense to me. I love America. I like John Kerry and I believe Clinton was the best president we have had in recent times. I don't agree with President Bush's views, but does that make me hate America. How is it any different for someone who does not agree with a democrats view? That doesn't make them unpatriotic. It just boggles my mind that something as small as politics can divide people so much. That's just something I noticed. 'Nuff said.

Comments (Page 2)

Draginol

on Oct 17, 2004

One can merely click on the forums and find plenty of anti-American left wingers here. The blogger you mention I don't even remember. Plus you are assuming racists are right wing rather than identifyign a right winger as a racist.

Grim Xiozan

on Oct 17, 2004

The difference is Republicans love America the way a 4 year old loves its mommy.

Democrats love America the way a mother loves a 4 year old child,

Great the last thing I need is a Paternal Government, take your mommy and daddy government and leave America because that is not the American way of Liberty first and government last that is even outlined that way by the US Constitution.

- Grim X

Deference

on Oct 17, 2004

But it's pretty easy to find anti-American articles by left wingers here.

Do you want to give some examples, or would you rather leave it up to reader`s imaginations?

blogic

on Oct 17, 2004

First of all, most lefties here attack the policies of the government, not America in an abstract sense. I think some of the people on the Right have trouble seeing that distinction.

I can't be the only person who remembers just how much right wing hatred of the government there was during the 1990s. Predictably, when the president is a Democrat, conservatives get really pissy about the things the American government is doing -- and when a Republican is president, liberals do the same thing.

Jockoj

on Oct 17, 2004

This *wrong"! People that love America DO NOT call other Americans "stupid" to a European audience.

Oh crap, I called a dumb dude I know "stupid" to some guys from Amsterdam at work yesterday. I didn't know I hated America, I thought I was just giving an honest evaluation of the individuals competency. Is there some codeword that I should use instead of "stupid" to imply a low level of proficiency that doesn't make me hate America?

Oh BTW, I think Bush is "Stupid" too. What is a eurpoean reads this thread. All I want to do is get him out of office to help make the country I love better. Now that I think I might hate the country I might just vote for him again so I can screw this place I hate so much up even worse.

drmiler

on Oct 17, 2004

Reply #20 By: Jockoj - 10/17/2004 6:44:35 PM
This *wrong"! People that love America DO NOT call other Americans "stupid" to a European audience.

Oh crap, I called a dumb dude I know "stupid" to some guys from Amsterdam at work yesterday. I didn't know I hated America, I thought I was just giving an honest evaluation of the individuals competency. Is there some codeword that I should use instead of "stupid" to imply a low level of proficiency that doesn't make me hate America?

How about him calling us "ignorant people that don't deserve to have a place in the world". Now does that still sound like someone who loves America to you? BTW the quote was given to an audience in London,England.
Besides calling 1 person stupid is a far cry from calling an entire nation stupid. Or do you like being called stupid and ignorant? I sure don't!

sandy2

on Oct 17, 2004

I will tell you I don't love all americans. I think there are some stupid ones. Am I an america hater? No. I love america. But fine.. call me an America Hater.

messybuu

on Oct 17, 2004

I will tell you I don't love all americans. I think there are some stupid ones. Am I an america hater? No. I love america. But fine.. call me an America Hater.

So, having a problem with some Americans is the same thing as saying Americans are stupid?

drmiler

on Oct 17, 2004

Reply #22 By: sandy2 - 10/17/2004 6:51:53 PM
How about him calling us "ignorant people that don't deserve to have a place in the world". Now does that still sound like someone who loves America to you? BTW the quote was given to an audience in London,England.
Besides calling 1 person stupid is a far cry from calling an entire nation stupid. Or do you like being called stupid and ignorant? I sure don't!

I will tell you I don't love all americans. I think there are some stupid ones. Am I an america hater? No. I love america. But fine.. call me an America Hater.

You still don't get it do you? I'll try again.:

Besides calling 1 person stupid is a far cry from calling an entire nation stupid. Or do you like being called stupid and ignorant? I sure don't!

cactoblasta

on Oct 17, 2004

Besides calling 1 person stupid is a far cry from calling an entire nation stupid. Or do you like being called stupid and ignorant? I sure don't!

Personally I like the idea that other people think my country is full of cheerful and backward hicks. National stupidity is a great boon in some ways, and I'd prefer my country to be known for its stupidity than its belligerence or its rapacious greed.

messybuu

on Oct 17, 2004

I apologize for bringing race into this, but I want to provide another example.

There are black students at my school. Some of them are idiots. Is that the same thing as saying black people are idiots?" Does that make me racist? If so, why? Surely, if calling Americans stupid is not anti-American, calling black people stupid can't be considered anti-black.

CraigAlan

on Oct 17, 2004

I certainly don't think Americans are stupid. Some Americans are misinformed or misguided, but definitely not stupid. I don't claim to know everything, nor do I claim my opinions are correct. They're simply that: my opinions. That being said... I myself always thought that since America itself was built on ideals involving freedom, liberty, and justice, this also meant that its citizens were entitled to form their own opinions about the government, the legal system, etc. This would include, at least I would hope, a right to disagree with our elected officials. Why else do you think the forefathers of this country established the electoral process? Indeed, in the constitution itself it mentions a right to question our government. I would think... or maybe this is just a huge presumption of mine... that this would include (but certainly not be limited to) the President.

Bush, the last time I checked, is not the King, nor the Emperor of the U.S. He may be in office, but this does not mean I have to like him. You can like him, that's fine with me, I'm certainly not going to argue your right to like him. However, I hear, time and time again, how anti-American and un-Patriotic I am because I happen to not agree with Bush or his policies. Let's clear this up: I love America, but I don't like Bush. I think that much is possible.

Kerry, the man that I have to vote for since Dean is no longer a viable candidate, doesn't exactly appeal to me either, but he seems to have a far, far different vision for America that I happen to agree with. I guess this puts me in the "leftist" category, but so be it.

If Bush wins, I won't stop loving America, nor will I leave the country. However, please don't try to tell me that in order to love America, I also have to love the government. Keep in mind that, if Kerry wins, I'll remain skeptical and somewhat cynical, but at least I'll have hope. Bush just doesn't inspire me in that way.

Dr Guy

on Oct 18, 2004

What I do not understand is why many people to the right believe that having liberal views is unpatriotic.

The more accurate question is, "Why does the right always paint the left as unpatriotic," but that's so easily answered...

And the answer is, the right does not question the left's patriotism, the left just squeals that, and then turns around and starts calling people on the right all sorts of dirty names, some of the mildest being "racist, homophobe, nazi pigs".

I would ask the author to name one prominent republican who questioned the patriotism of the left. Questioned their judgement, for sure. Questioned their results, always. But questioned their patriotitsm? Name one, and blogs cannot be used for documentation purposes.

Dr Guy

on Oct 18, 2004

Are you retarted? I am sorry but this pissed me off. I have nothing else to say to you right now.

I believe the word is 'retarded' Sandy, and you just pissed me and my sister off! My nephew is not retarded, he has DS, and what he lacks in intellegince, he makes up in love.

So stick that up your retart.

SameOldRat

on Oct 18, 2004

Dr. Guy- this is from the blog Left & Right & Partiotism by Draginol:

But I think the most politically motivated Kerry supporters, those on the far left, are quite anti-American. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them intentionally choose not to buy American cars simply because they don't want to support an American company (even though their actions are essentially paying to outsource jobs).

If that isn't calling Democrats unpatriotic I do not know what is.

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